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you said never go above 640 ISO on your tutorial.. I did long time ago before ur video.. i think at 3200.. super grainy. I use FCP 7. . can that footage still be used.. what would u do.? thanx in advance.. .if I did not use that setting… i could not see anything.. just so dark..
It convinced me to purchase a hackable GH1 and has helped me greatly with my GH13 use.
I had two quick questions:
1) In Smooth and Nostalgia GH1 film modes, have you found your best results with all characteristics (contrast, sharpness, color saturation, and noise reduction) set at -2, or, do you prefer to set color saturation at 0 and the other three characteristics at -2?
2) I have had great success recording with the AVCHD native 24p “C Settings (44mb/s)” on a Class 10 Sandisk card and a Class 10 PatriotLX card, but I was wondering if I could push it further while maintaining stability. What settings do you prefer to shoot on with the GH13? Do you use various settings for various situations? Any examples will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your time and keep up the great work.
1. No matter the mode, keep sharpness at -2, this dials out as much false detail as possible. The noise reduction setting at times does not appear to do anything. Setting at -2 theoretically should help reduce camera processing overhead that could possibly reduce hacked settings from crashing. Color Saturation will depend on the scene, so it can be variable. “0” is a safe setting if you are not planning to do color correction. Contrast is the same way, I set at -2 to get the most amount of latitude in the “raw” file for color correcting later. If you are not planning to do correction, you should adjust this setting variable to how your scene is lit.
I do plan to color correct, so I will probably leave my film mode on “smooth” and my color saturation at -2 (and leave sharpness, n. reduction, and contrast at -2 as well).
After thoroughly investigating the threads on dvxuser, I discovered Ptools 3.50d is available. I was using 3.40d, so I am updating tonight.
To my knowledge, the D settings are AVCHD 60, 62, 70 with native 24p unchecked and the 86Mb/s settings are AVCHD 41, 24, 16, 86 with native 24p checked (or is the 86Mb/s settings native 24p unchecked?).
I assume all AVCHD modes (such as 1080 24p/60i, 720 60p, and 720 30p) work with these two groups of settings (D and 86MB/s) as well.
It seems for 1080p, the MJPEG is not a good choice (given that it seems to be 720p upscaled) and the AVCHD native 24p is unreliable and some people think it has frame pausing issues. (This is too bad because a reliable high bit rate AVCHD 1080 native 24p would be the greatest thing ever for the GH13 and myself using it.)
Since I plan to work in 1080p (making low budget features and shorts for Blu-rays and film festivals), am I correct in thinking that, as of now, my best bet is to avoid AVCHD 1080 native 24p?
To use either the D settings or the 86Mb/s test settings at AVCHD 1080 24p/60i (24 in the 60 wrapper)?
If so, what program is best to unwrap the footage and get it back to 24p? I have heard Neoscene does a good job, but a few people have said to use JES Deinterlacer. Is it possible to do the unwrapping to 24p with Compressor or Cinema Tools?
I bought the GH13 to use as a “B” camera, and, on occasion, an “A” camera. Finding the right settings seems to be the hardest and most time consuming thing about the GH13. Many users on DVX seem to focus on 720p, which for my needs, is not a high enough resolution (I am focusing on 1080p). Even more out of my production path is the desire for 720 at 30p instead of 60p. Wanting 720 at 30p is strange to me because, to my knowledge, no actual physical media (tapes, broadcast, Blu-ray) uses 720p at 30fps. They tend to use 720p at 60fps (or 1080 at 24p or 60i). 720p at 30fps may be awesome for streaming and other online uses, but offline, I think it is very limited.
Thanks for all your time and help. I am from a film background (shoot movies on film and do post in digital) so doing the actual production digitally is a new step for me. I greatly appreciate your assistance.
Thanks again, and I promise to stop bugging you now.
Mark, thank you so much for your videos I have watch them multiple times and the 7d lens selection and media tutorials helped me make proper choices in gear.
I have been having trouble finding a proper exposure at night on my 7d. I am using a 1/50 – 125 shutter speed to keep the movement realistic and appropriate to the 24 p or the 60 p. My aperature is set at a 2.8 ( Canon EFS 17-55 IS ultrasonic). I have read that I need to turn off my highlight tone priority for these shots but your tutorail for the cine settings says to have it on. My picture styles are set at the settings you have in your tutorail and I use one with all levels at 0.
No matter what I do I can not illiminate the noise, and I know there will probobly always be some to deal with, but the noise is severe in my clips. Can you help me figure out what I’m Missing, I see so many beautiful night images other people shoot that look clear as day, so I know I’m missing something simple, hopefully:)
you said never go above 640 ISO on your tutorial.. I did long time ago before ur video.. i think at 3200.. super grainy. I use FCP 7. . can that footage still be used.. what would u do.? thanx in advance.. .if I did not use that setting… i could not see anything.. just so dark..
You need a plugin called “Neat Video” This can process even 6400 ISO video and make it usable.
I love your informational youtube channel.
It convinced me to purchase a hackable GH1 and has helped me greatly with my GH13 use.
I had two quick questions:
1) In Smooth and Nostalgia GH1 film modes, have you found your best results with all characteristics (contrast, sharpness, color saturation, and noise reduction) set at -2, or, do you prefer to set color saturation at 0 and the other three characteristics at -2?
2) I have had great success recording with the AVCHD native 24p “C Settings (44mb/s)” on a Class 10 Sandisk card and a Class 10 PatriotLX card, but I was wondering if I could push it further while maintaining stability. What settings do you prefer to shoot on with the GH13? Do you use various settings for various situations? Any examples will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your time and keep up the great work.
Hi Andrew, thanks for the comment.
1. No matter the mode, keep sharpness at -2, this dials out as much false detail as possible. The noise reduction setting at times does not appear to do anything. Setting at -2 theoretically should help reduce camera processing overhead that could possibly reduce hacked settings from crashing. Color Saturation will depend on the scene, so it can be variable. “0” is a safe setting if you are not planning to do color correction. Contrast is the same way, I set at -2 to get the most amount of latitude in the “raw” file for color correcting later. If you are not planning to do correction, you should adjust this setting variable to how your scene is lit.
2. I use many different settings with the hack. My camera and cards have been stable with the “D” settings and more recently I’ve been using the newer 86mb test settings (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?222904-Possible-breakthrough-on-Native-24p!)
Mark,
Thanks for the quick and informative response.
I do plan to color correct, so I will probably leave my film mode on “smooth” and my color saturation at -2 (and leave sharpness, n. reduction, and contrast at -2 as well).
After thoroughly investigating the threads on dvxuser, I discovered Ptools 3.50d is available. I was using 3.40d, so I am updating tonight.
To my knowledge, the D settings are AVCHD 60, 62, 70 with native 24p unchecked and the 86Mb/s settings are AVCHD 41, 24, 16, 86 with native 24p checked (or is the 86Mb/s settings native 24p unchecked?).
I assume all AVCHD modes (such as 1080 24p/60i, 720 60p, and 720 30p) work with these two groups of settings (D and 86MB/s) as well.
It seems for 1080p, the MJPEG is not a good choice (given that it seems to be 720p upscaled) and the AVCHD native 24p is unreliable and some people think it has frame pausing issues. (This is too bad because a reliable high bit rate AVCHD 1080 native 24p would be the greatest thing ever for the GH13 and myself using it.)
Since I plan to work in 1080p (making low budget features and shorts for Blu-rays and film festivals), am I correct in thinking that, as of now, my best bet is to avoid AVCHD 1080 native 24p?
To use either the D settings or the 86Mb/s test settings at AVCHD 1080 24p/60i (24 in the 60 wrapper)?
If so, what program is best to unwrap the footage and get it back to 24p? I have heard Neoscene does a good job, but a few people have said to use JES Deinterlacer. Is it possible to do the unwrapping to 24p with Compressor or Cinema Tools?
I bought the GH13 to use as a “B” camera, and, on occasion, an “A” camera. Finding the right settings seems to be the hardest and most time consuming thing about the GH13. Many users on DVX seem to focus on 720p, which for my needs, is not a high enough resolution (I am focusing on 1080p). Even more out of my production path is the desire for 720 at 30p instead of 60p. Wanting 720 at 30p is strange to me because, to my knowledge, no actual physical media (tapes, broadcast, Blu-ray) uses 720p at 30fps. They tend to use 720p at 60fps (or 1080 at 24p or 60i). 720p at 30fps may be awesome for streaming and other online uses, but offline, I think it is very limited.
Thanks for all your time and help. I am from a film background (shoot movies on film and do post in digital) so doing the actual production digitally is a new step for me. I greatly appreciate your assistance.
Thanks again, and I promise to stop bugging you now.
Mark, thank you so much for your videos I have watch them multiple times and the 7d lens selection and media tutorials helped me make proper choices in gear.
I have been having trouble finding a proper exposure at night on my 7d. I am using a 1/50 – 125 shutter speed to keep the movement realistic and appropriate to the 24 p or the 60 p. My aperature is set at a 2.8 ( Canon EFS 17-55 IS ultrasonic). I have read that I need to turn off my highlight tone priority for these shots but your tutorail for the cine settings says to have it on. My picture styles are set at the settings you have in your tutorail and I use one with all levels at 0.
No matter what I do I can not illiminate the noise, and I know there will probobly always be some to deal with, but the noise is severe in my clips. Can you help me figure out what I’m Missing, I see so many beautiful night images other people shoot that look clear as day, so I know I’m missing something simple, hopefully:)
thanks again for all your info.
B